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Engine Sludge Taints Toyota’s Reputation

by Reed on March 30, 2010

Anthony Fontanelle asked:




The issue could have ended calmly on March 1, 2001 when an arbitration panel unanimously concurred that the Toyota Motor Corp. was liable for the damage of Jeff Meckstroth’s two-year-old Lexus RX300 sport utility engine. However, the dispute worsened when two representatives of the automaker packed up their papers and referred casually to other identical cases they were handling.

“Then we had our suspicions up that this isn’t an unusual case, that Lexus knows about the problem, and has formed a response – just deny, deny, deny,” said Meckstroth, a 47-year-old New Orleans stockbroker. “We decided to sue.” His case sprouted into a class suit to include prior and current owners of about four million Toyota and Lexus vehicles complaining about engine sludge.

Engine sludge is caused by the accumulation of gelling or solidifying oil. It usually occurs at temperatures lower than 100 degrees Celsius. Sludge is a cause of major engine problems. It deprives the engine of the required lubrication. In addition, sludge could necessitate an opportune engine replacement.

Toyota has agreed to settle the case last fall however it maintains that its engines were not defective. The automaker said the settlement terms mirror a program to reimburse customers for sludge-related engine damage or repairs that it put in place in 2002. The said settlement is expected to be approved by a Louisiana state court.

With a single engine replacement costing approximately $10,000, the gross amount could run into the billions. However, the tainted reputation of the automaker is worth more than that. Toyota is not the only automaker that has been confronted by engine sludge problems. But the high-profile case is the latest in a series of recalls. This situation is suggestive that Toyota’s controls are not foolproof.

“It would be accurate to say that there have been enough issues with Toyota in the past couple of years that they don’t have the spotless image they had a couple of years ago,” said Karl Brauer, the editor in chief of Edmunds.com, an automotive research Web site. But he adds that problems at Toyota attract a disproportionate amount of attention because of the automaker’s sterling reputation for quality. “Most companies wouldn’t get noticed for these problems.”

DaimlerChrysler AG’s Chrysler Group and Volkswagen AG are among the automakers that have confronted complaints about sludge in their vehicles. “There are reasons to believe that the engine design could be contributing to it, but there are also reasons to think that lack of maintenance or proper customer care is contributing,” Brauer said. “Everything I’ve read indicates something kind of in between.”

Gary Gambel, an attorney at Murphy, Rogers, Sloss & Gambel in New Orleans, argued that Toyota’s engines had a defect giving them a propensity to develop sludge. “The terms of the settlement and the settlement itself have no finding of defect in the product,” Toyota spokesman Xavier Dominicis said however. “They’re not saying these engines are predisposed to sludge.”

Toyota remains among the quality leaders in vehicle manufacture. But if complaints about auto parts not only the engine but EBC brake pads, brakes, suspension and more, keep coming, the reputation linking to quality will be compromised.

“The sludge issue was a significant blow,” said Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research Inc. in Bandon, Ore. “Toyota’s in the position that GM was in back in the 1970s. A lot of people were buying GM products in the ’70s because they were GM products, but they had fractures at the edges. It took 15 years before GM started to suffer from that long-term negative word-of-mouth.” At Toyota, he said, “It’s going to hurt them if they don’t turn it around.”

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Does Toyota give out free maintenance/check up for life like Lexus?

by Reed on January 22, 2010

I know Lexus does this with certain models as my friend drives a new IS 300. Since Toyota basically owns Lexus, would a Toyota dealership get rid of minor rust or install my back license plate (screw is stuck in with screw remover head also stuck in while I was trying to get it out) for free or discounted?

It is a 1999 Toyota Camry LE

You’re misunderstanding something.

First, Lexus does not offer free maintenance for life. Hell, Lexus doesn’t even offer free maintenance during the warranty period like BMW does. Lexus covers the initial 1,000 and 5,000 mile check-ups. After that, it’s the owner’s responsibility. They may have done that once or twice a few years ago for a promotion, but no longer. Even then, it was only for maybe 3 years, not life.

There ARE pre-paid maintenance plans (Vehicle Service Plans, or VSAs) – but again, not free.

Next, you said "new IS 300". I’m assuming you mean new to him, since the IS 300 hasn’t been manufactured since 2005.

As to the second part of your question, some dealers will just do little stuff like that for free in order to foster loyalty and win your business when you need a new car. Doesn’t hurt to ask.

Stategic way to do it – take it to the dealer for your next oil change. Yes, I know, a little more expensive than Jiffy Lube, but hang with me – also ask about getting that little stuff done. Chances are, they may just do it, if they quote you a price, easy enough to say "never mind".

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75000 mile maintenance on lexus?

by Reed on January 22, 2010

I have a lexus ES 330, with 75500 miles on it. How easy is it to change/flush the coolant/antifreeze, fuel injection, power steering, brake, and transmission fluids? Thanks!

Coolant – there’s a stopcock on the bottom of the radiator to drain the coolant. Make sure to open the top of the radiator when you do this and do it when the engine is cold. It’s not difficult.

Flushing the cooling system is easy, but time consuming. After you drain the coolant, replace it with water, drive around for 15 minutes to bring the engine to operating temp, let it cool, then drain it again. Then add a flush chemical (Prestone makes a good one) and follow the directions on the bottle. Drive another 15 minutes, let it cool, drain it, add water to rinse out the flush, drive 15 minutes again, let it cool, drain it one last time, then add your coolant. Add the flush, water and coolant directly to the radiator, not the overflow bottle. Make sure to dispose of the used coolant, flush and rinsates according to local regulations. You can’t just dump it on the ground or pour it down the sewer or sink.

Fuel injection – there’s no need to drain or flush anything here. It gets flushed with new gas every time you drive. You could add a fuel injector cleaner to your gas tank. I do this every 10, 000 miles or so. Valvoline and Chevron make good ones. Follow instructions on the bottle.

Brake fluid – unless you are having brake problems, leave it alone.

Power steering fluid – you shouldn’t need to change this either, unless you’re having problems with the power steering pump.

Transmission fluid – not too difficult in theory, but getting under the car and not spilling the fluid everywhere makes this a tough job. Unlike on the manual transmissions, there’s not just a simple drain plug. You have to remove a cover plate and catch the draining oil, usually on your arms, shirt, pants and garage floor.

As far as materials are concerned, Genuine Toyota (or Genuine Lexus – same thing) coolant and transmission fluid is basically the same stuff as you can get at Kragen/Checker/Schucks with a bigger price tag. If you do the coolant flush and completely remove the old coolant, you can put in any ethylene glycol or propylene glycol based coolant.

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Used Lexus RX 300, or used Jeep Grand Cherokee?

by Reed on January 9, 2010

Lexus: $15K, 100K miles 99′-02′
Jeep: $15K, 30K miles 03′-04′

Ok, so the Jeep clearly looks like a better bet. However, I feel like…not neccessarily if the Lexus (toyota) can last 200K-250K miles, and the Jeep only lasts a little over 100K miles.

The lexus is my dream car, and I need to know if it would be worth it to get it over the Jeep. Thanks guys!
I’m really not sure on how long Jeeps can really last…

Lexus why would you pay the same money for a car thats not your dream car. I had a Toyota(makes Lexus) and I drove it 264,xxx miles before I sold it. The life of the car I had to change the starter once and regular oil changes thats it.

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In terms of luxury, which is better Lexus ES350 or Toyota Avalon?

by Reed on January 8, 2010


Definitely the Lexus, I’d say.
I never knew Avalon to be a luxury model …
Afterall, if the name is Lexus, it’ll be more prestigious than Toyota.

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